diana_alt: |
ugh, no deedbot |
[14:44] |
asciilifeform: |
apparently not |
[14:45] |
diana_alt: |
asciilifeform: 4 runs of curl http://54.209.217.34/log/trilema/2018-04-18#1802801 > /dev/null give http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1llzt/?raw=true |
[14:49] |
asciilifeform: |
ty diana_alt ! |
[14:50] |
asciilifeform: |
diana_alt: imho thus far errything points to the ~pipe~ |
[14:52] |
asciilifeform: |
given e.g. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929698 |
[14:52] |
snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-19 16:38:26 asciilifeform: ... from here eats 0.268s. |
[14:52] |
diana_alt: |
BingoBoingo: do you mind waiting until the end of this week for the payment of the Pizarro invoice for my rk? |
[14:53] |
diana_alt: |
asciilifeform: it would seem so, yes. |
[14:54] |
asciilifeform: |
diana_alt: btw what sorta load time do you get for 'heavy page' from phf's log |
[14:55] |
asciilifeform: |
? |
[14:55] |
asciilifeform: |
( his also iirc in usa ) |
[14:55] |
BingoBoingo: |
diana_alt: No problem at all |
[14:56] |
diana_alt: |
BingoBoingo: thanks! |
[14:58] |
diana_alt: |
asciilifeform: hm, a bit longer if anything: real is around 1.5s on 4 runs |
[14:58] |
diana_alt: |
same precise page |
[14:59] |
asciilifeform: |
diana_alt: the mirror is on largest spam isp in usa (lulazon) and actually can be moved between a dozen or so locations , we can experiment later if want |
[15:00] |
diana_alt: |
specifically: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/su9en/?raw=true |
[15:00] |
asciilifeform: |
( they have a thing where you can pick in what city ) |
[15:00] |
asciilifeform: |
atm i vaguely suspect that tcp on piz is slowed by an inept wiretap somewhere. |
[15:01] |
asciilifeform: |
diana_alt: my log pages are slightly heavier than phf's, he had 'minimized' css , some scheme for cutting out unprinted whitespace also |
[15:02] |
asciilifeform: |
it's not a huge diff tho iirc |
[15:03] |
diana_alt: |
no, not a huge difference anyway; tbh for the moment I can't see much more info to be gotten out of further simple timing tests (or maybe I just don't see it) |
[15:08] |
asciilifeform: |
diana_alt: thus far seems to me that we're seeing 100\% pipe effect |
[15:09] |
asciilifeform: |
( as confirmed by lobbes , my logtron generates the page in approx same time it takes to move the mouse button. can't say re phf's , likely same ) |
[15:09] |
asciilifeform: |
i.e. no amt of massage of the proggy is going to make a perceptible diff re load time. |
[15:10] |
diana_alt: |
I agree it looks 100\% pipe effect |
[15:10] |
asciilifeform: |
imho what's needed, is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929756 . |
[15:11] |
snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-19 21:52:50 asciilifeform: rly what we oughta have is 7+ ~active~ bots/logotrons on 7 continents, then no one will have to grumble 'wai slow' |
[15:11] |
diana_alt: |
asciilifeform: do you recommend just mirroring them on heathen vms? |
[15:11] |
asciilifeform: |
it poses some difficulty; e.g. the 1 i used, is in fact banned from fleanode (unless sslized) on acct of spam |
[15:12] |
asciilifeform: |
but proggy is lightweight enuff that it in fact runs a++ in cheapo pseudohosters |
[15:12] |
asciilifeform: |
(observe that rubbish-mirror has no bot, it is synced via db dump / cron ) |
[15:13] |
asciilifeform: |
seems that any host service which offers traditional python2, will run the thing. |
[15:14] |
diana_alt: |
looking at it from the other side, why not just mirror them in the cheapest way too; supposedly there still are some that are not banned on acct of spam either; |
[15:14] |
asciilifeform: |
it took me just slightly over half hour to set up the example mirror. |
[15:14] |
asciilifeform: |
( all of the necessary instructions, i think are in the readme ) |
[15:15] |
asciilifeform: |
note that the bot doesn't need to be voiced in order to log. |
[15:16] |
diana_alt: |
asciilifeform: I still tend to do a *2 for myself on all your timings; but in any case, it's still on my list for when I get back to my desk |
[15:16] |
asciilifeform: |
diana_alt: the moar, the merrier. |
[15:16] |
diana_alt: |
asciilifeform: maybe add those cron/instructions as a patch though? |
[15:18] |
asciilifeform: |
diana_alt: it's defo going in next patch. |
[15:18] |
diana_alt: |
i.e. add to the readme or something so one doesn't need to dig in the logs |
[15:18] |
diana_alt: |
great, thanks! |
[15:18] |
asciilifeform: |
imho mirrors synced via cron aint especially useful tho |
[15:18] |
asciilifeform: |
as they don't help to bridge gaps in log in the event the bot (of which atm there is only 1, of my type) is bumped |
[15:18] |
diana_alt: |
sure; that doesn't mean they don't help in any other way though |
[15:19] |
asciilifeform: |
a proper logtron oughta have own bot, going in realtime |
[15:19] |
diana_alt: |
sure |
[15:19] |
asciilifeform: |
the lulazon mirror, i set up specifically to probe q of 'is proggy/web stack slow' |
[15:19] |
asciilifeform: |
as soon as someone sets up proper mirror (i.e. with working bot), we can start on the q of how to auto-sync. |
[15:22] |
asciilifeform: |
( it prolly has not escaped diana_alt's notice, that in so doing we're more or less rebuilding the relevant pieces irc ) |
[15:23] |
asciilifeform: |
*of irc |
[15:23] |
asciilifeform: |
btw re the cron : the instructions posted in log earlier do not in fact result in a working auto-cronsync ; turns out that it is necessary to run 'init_db' script prior to importing a dump, or postgres barfs . this results in 5 or so min. down time (i.e. machine shows empty log) |
[15:26] |
asciilifeform: |
i have not conceived of any simple pill against this, of yet. |
[15:26] |
asciilifeform: |
imho such mirroring is not all that useful, so did not put serious effort into any such thing as e.g. 'trim the dump so doesn't conflict with existing' |
[15:27] |
asciilifeform: |
any auto-sync really oughta use the 'raw-export' knob (implemented -- emitter, but no receiver of yet) |
[15:31] |
diana_alt: |
yes, a proper separate working bot (ideally many of them) is the real need; this sort of mirrors are lowest-effort and a rather different thing, can't see any reason to spend a lot of time on them either |
[15:31] |
asciilifeform: |
diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-raw/ossasepia?istart=1000404&iend=1000461 << example |
[15:33] |
asciilifeform: |
diana_alt: imho errybody in l1 oughta have a working bot. (dun even have to be copy of mine, but oughta emit same 'raw' format ideally) |
[15:37] |
diana_alt: |
shrysr: those copy/paste bits on your blog - what's exactly their role/your idea with them? they don't quite make posts for sure; are you trying to build a sort of reference list there or what? |
[15:37] |
diana_alt: |
asciilifeform: I think I even said as much before, yes; it might have been as a comment on trilema though, can't seem to find it quickly right now. |
[15:41] |
diana_alt: |
the above re every lord should run a bot as an even more basic requisite than running a node |
[15:42] |
diana_alt: |
there, found it, last line in http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130485 |
[15:44] |
shrysr: |
I replied to your comment... they are not posts. It was meant to be a reference... and I guess I liked the story quite a bit. |
[22:45] |
trinque: |
funny thing is, looking back on it... it was bad lisp! |
[22:46] |
trinque: |
the class and method naming at the very least, written like some java dork |
[22:46] |